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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:55 PM

It's been a while since I posted a list on here, but I haven't been finding any I like lately. I keep mixing them up into new combos, but haven't branched out to any new names lately. Boys are particularly hard for me. Any and all advice is welcome :)

(Italicized is family names)


Girls:

Amelia Carolyn Jane

Isla Temperance

Lucy Margaret

(my inner anthro nerd loves this one!)

Mae Cordelia

Grace Theodora

Emily Jude

Piper Juliet


Boys:

Roman Francis Abel

Henry Maxwell

Griffin Nathaniel

Brady Patrick

Wyatt Ephraim

(cannot decide if I like it enough to use it)

Cohen Rhys

Noah Brennan


Singles:

Sofia

Stella

Violet

Hazel

Eloise

Kaia

Eliza

Josephine

Madeline

(line, not lynn)

Scarlett

Zoe

Sadie

Eleanor

Lillian

Quinn


Lucas

Emmett

Riley

Holden

Tucker

Russell

Greyson

Bennett

Oliver

Samson

William

(middle only)


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:30 PM


I really like all of your girl combos. All the girl names are really pretty and the names compliment each other well.


Here are some combos for you. I hope you like some!


Girls

Sofia Hazel

Sofia Violet

Sofia Josephine

Sofia Madeline

Sofia Zoe

Sofia Eleanor

Sophia Quinn

Sophia Lillian


Stella Violet

Stella Hazel

Stella Josephine

Stella Zoe

Stella Quinn


Violet Sofia

Violet Hazel

Violet Eloise

Violet Josephine

Violet Zoe



Madeline Sofia
Madeline Violet


Lillian Sophia

Lillian Violet


Hazel Josephine

Hazel Lillian

Hazel Quinn


Eleanor Violet

Eleanor Hazel

Eleanor Sofia

Eloise Violet



Eliza Josephine
Eliza Madeline
Eliza Scarlett
Eliza Zoe
Eliza Lillian
Eliza Quinn

Josephine Violet
Josephine Hazel
Josephine Eloise
Josephine Eleanor
Josephine Zoe
Josephine Quinn

Madeline Sofia
Madeline Violet
Madeline Hazel
Madeline Eloise
Madeline Quinn
Madeline Zoe

Scarlett Hazel
Scarlett Sofia
Scarlett Violet
Scarlett Eloise
Scarlett Quinn

Kaia Sofia
Kaia Hazel
Kaia Quinn
Kaia Eloise
Kaia Eleanor
Kaia Josephine
Kaia Madeline

Zoe Hazel
Zoe Violet
Zoe Eleanor
Zoe Josephine
Zoe Scarlett
Zoe Quinn

Quinn Violet

Sadie Eloise
Sadie Violet
Sadie Josephine
Sadie Quinn

Eleanor Sofia
Eleanor Violet
Eleanor Josephine
Eleanor Quinn

Boys
Lucas Riley
Lucas Greyson
Lucas Bennett
Lucas Oliver
Lucas William

Emmett Riley
Emmett Greyson
Emmett Tucker
Emmett Samson

Riley Holden
Riley Tucker
Riley Greyson
Riley Oliver

Holden Lucas
Holden Riley
Holden Tucker
Holden Greyson
Holden Oliver

Tucker Lucas
Tucker Greyson
Tucker Oliver
Tucker William

Russell Lucas
Russell Greyson
Russell Oliver
Russell William

Greyson Lucas
Greyson Oliver
Greyson William
Greyson Riley
Greyson Holden
Greyson Bennett
Greyson Samson

Bennett Lucas
Bennett Riley
Bennett Tucker
Bennett William
Bennett Samson
Bennett Holden
Bennett Oliver
Bennett Russell

Oliver Lucas
Oliver William
Oliver Holden
Oliver Riley
Oliver Tucker

Samson Lucas
Samson Tucker
Samson Riley
Samson William
Samson Oliver

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:52 PM

Girls:

Amelia Carolyn Jane - While I do think this combo is a little too long, I like the individual names. They compliment each other stylistically.

Isla Temperance - I don't like Temperance (I personally dislike virtue names), but Isla is lovely.

Lucy Margaret - Love it! Classic and pretty.

Mae Cordelia - Lovely flow. Has an old-fashioned feel.

Grace Theodora - Again, lovely.

Emily Jude - Jude is all boy to me! Emily is lovely. What do you think of Emily Jade, Emily June, Emily Sage?

Piper Juliet - I personally am not a fan of Piper, but it sounds lovely with Juliet!


All in all, I love your girl names! :D


Boys:

Roman Francis Abel - The flow seems a bit off to me. I like Roman, and Francis is fine, but Abel is personally not my style.

Henry Maxwell - Very handsome! I love Henry.

Griffin Nathaniel - I personally dislike Griffin... it doesn't seem to age well, in my personal opinion. I think the "n" at the end of Griffin clashes a bit with the "n" at the beginning of Nathaniel, so the name seems to run together.

Brady Patrick - Cute!

Wyatt Ephraim - Personally, I would keep this as a guilty pleasure. It doesn't seem very useable to me.

Cohen Rhys - Not my style, but okay.

Noah Brennan - Handsome! Love it.


Combos using your singles:


Sofia Violet

Sofia Quinn

Stella Violet

Stella Josephine

Stella Madeline

Stella Quinn

Violet Sofia

Violet Zoe

Violet Quinn

Hazel Josephine

Hazel Madeline

Hazel Quinn

Eloise Violet

Eloise Quinn

Kaia Josephine

Kaia Scarlett

Kaia Sadie

Kaia Lillian

Eliza Quinn

Josephine Quinn

Madeline Sofia

Madeline Scarlett

Scarlett Eloise

Scarlett Josephine

Zoe Eleanor

Zoe Lillian

Sadie Eloise

Sadie Eleanor

Eleanor Zoe

Eleanor Violet

Lillian Sofia

Lillian Zoe

Quinn Josephine


Lucas Emmett

Lucas Riley

Lucas Bennett

Lucas Oliver

Lucas Holden

Emmett Riley

Emmett Greyson

Emmett Samson

Riley Emmett

Riley Holden

Riley Tucker

Riley Greyson

Riley Bennett

Riley Samson

Riley William

Holden Riley

Holden Russell

Tucker Samson

Tucker William

Russell Greyson

Russell Samson

Greyson Tucker

Greyson Oliver

Greyson William

Bennett William

Bennett Riley

Oliver Lucas

Oliver Greyson

Oliver Bennett

Oliver Samson

Samson Riley

Samson Emmett

Samson Lucas

Samson Tucker

Samson William


As a final note, your single boy names all sound really good together... you have like an infinite number of possibilities! :lol:



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:06 PM

Amelia Carolyn Jane - Not a fan of double middles. Carolyn Jane is pretty as is Amelia Jane.
Isla Temperance - not my style
Lucy Margaret - I think it's 100% adorable
Mae Cordelia - Not my style.
Grace Theodora - Not a fan of Theodora. I like Emily Grace!
Emily Jude - Jude will only ever always be a boys name to me.
Piper Juliet - Absolutely love it. My favorite of your girls names


Roman Francis Abel - like I said, not a fan of double middles. Roman Abel is soooo handsome. I dislike Francis, but it could be okay as Roman Francis.
Henry Maxwell - Love Henry, dislike Maxwell. Henry Maxton is handsome
Griffin Nathaniel - My absolute favorite on your list. Love it.
Brady Patrick - Handsome :) really like it.
Wyatt Ephraim - I like Ephriam as a middle but not Wyatt
Cohen Rhys - Love Rhys, not Cohen
Noah Brennan - handsome

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:45 AM


Girls:

Amelia Carolyn Jane - I think this is gorgeous! It flows so well, and the names compliment each other wonderfully.

Isla Temperance - I love both of these names, but the flow sounds a little off to me. I do like it though.

Lucy Margaret - It seems a little predictable to me personally, but it's cute, and would age well.

Mae Cordelia - Again, I feel that the flow is a little off on this one too, but it's cute and I like it anyway.

Grace Theodora - I love Grace, but I'm not sure about Theodora; it's just a bit too clunky for my liking. They do go well though.

Emily Jude - I've always thought of Jude as a boy's name, but it's actually growing on me as a girl's name. I love this combo; simple but adorable.

Piper Juliet - This is probably my favourite of your girl's combos. Piper's spunky/trendy feeling is balanced really well by Juliet's classic/calmer feel, and the flow is wonderful.


Boys:

Roman Francis Abel - I like Roman and Abel, but I'm not a fan of Francis. They flow well though, and they do go together.

Henry Maxwell - I love this! Two adorable names that make an even more adorable combo! My favourite of your boy's combos.

Griffin Nathaniel - Not a fan of Griffin, but I love Nathanial. The two Ns at the end and beginning of the names clash a bit for me though, and this combo would probably work better as Nathanial Griffin.

Brady Patrick - I like Brady, but I'm not a fan of Patrick. The combo works though, and I can see it being cute.

Wyatt Ephraim - I think this is probably more GP for me. I like it though, and the flow is good.

Cohen Rhys - I like this combo; both names are lovely, and the flow is good too.

Noah Brennan - Love Noah, not sure about Brennan though.



Sofia Hazel, Sofia Eloise, Sofia Madeline, Sofia Lillian, Sofia Quinn

Stella Eloise, Stella Josephine, Stella Madeline, Stella Quinn

Violet Sofia, Violet Stella, Violet Kaia, Violet Josephine, Violet Madeline, Violet Zoe, Violet Sadie, Violet Eleanor, Violet Quinn

Hazel Sofia, Hazel Eloise, Hazel Eliza, Hazel Josephine, Hazel Quinn

Eloise Violet, Eloise Kaia, Eloise Madeline, Eloise Lillian, Eloise Quinn

Kaia Sofia, Kaia Hazel, Kaia Eloise, Kaia Josephine, Kaia Eleanor

Eliza Eloise, Eliza Josephine, Eliza Quinn

Josephine Stella, Josephine Violet, Josephine Hazel, Josephine Kaia, Josephine Scarlett, Josephine Sadie, Josephine Quinn

Madeline Sofia, Madeline Stella, Madeline Hazel, Madeline Eloise, Madeline Kaia, Madeline Scarlett, Madeline Zoe, Madeline Sadie

Scarlett Sofia, Scarlett Eloise, Scarlett Eliza, Scarlett Josephine

Zoe Violet, Zoe Madeline, Zoe Eleanor, Zoe Quinn

Sadie Sofia, Sadie Violet, Sadie Eloise, Sadie Eliza, Sadie Josephine, Sadie Madeline

Eleanor Sofia, Eleanor Violet, Eleanor Hazel, Eleanor Kaia, Eleanor Madeline, Eleanor Zoe

Quinn Sofia, Quinn Violet, Quinn Eloise, Quinn Eliza


Lucas Riley, Lucas Holden, Lucas Russell, Lucas Bennett, Lucas Oliver, Lucas William

Emmett Lucas, Emmett Riley, Emmett Russell, Emmett Greyson, Emmett Oliver, Emmett Samson, Emmett William

Riley Emmett, Riley Tucker, Riley Greyson, Riley Bennett, Riley Oliver, Riley Samson, Riley William

Holden Lucas, Holden Emmett, Holden Riley, Holden Russell

Tucker Emmett, Tucker Holden, Tucker Samson, Tucker William

Russell Emmett, Russell Holden, Russell Greyson

Greyson Lucas, Greyson Riley, Greyson Tucker, Greyson Oliver

Bennett Lucas, Bennett Riley, Bennett Holden, Bennett Russell, Bennett Oliver, Bennett Samson

Oliver Lucas, Oliver Emmett, Oliver Holden, Oliver Greyson, Oliver Bennett, Oliver Samson

Samson Lucas, Samson Emmett, Samson Riley, Samson Tucker, Samson Bennett, Samson Oliver


Hope this helps!

Hannah



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:06 PM

Girls:

Amelia Carolyn Jane

Isla Temperance

Lucy Margaret

(my inner anthro nerd loves this one!)

Mae Cordelia

Grace Theodora

Emily Jude

Piper Juliet


Boys:

Roman Francis Abel

Henry Maxwell

Griffin Nathaniel

Brady Patrick

Wyatt Ephraim

(cannot decide if I like it enough to use it)

Cohen Rhys

Noah Brennan


Singles:

Sofia

Stella

Violet

Hazel

Eloise

Kaia

Eliza

Josephine

Madeline

(line, not lynn)

Scarlett

Zoe

Sadie

Eleanor

Lillian

Quinn


Lucas

Emmett

Riley

Holden

Tucker

Russell

Greyson

Bennett

Oliver

Samson

William

(middle only)


I really like: Stella, Hazel & Kaia for girls and for boys I like Lucas, Bennett, and Riley. Each of them all have a pretty cool flow to it. Now for combos I personally like only Griffin Nathaniel and Mae Cordelia. Both combos flow off each other as in their very interesting sounding in a very good way, to me I think so. I gotta say though my ultimate fave out of everything is Hazel and Lucas. <3
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

Girls:

Amelia Carolyn Jane - I love this one! Amelia is lovely and Amelia Carolyn Jane is beautiful.

Isla Temperance - Probably one of my favourites from your girls list. I adore Temperance and I think Isla balances it out well.

Lucy Margaret - It's so traditional and gorgeous. Lucy is so cute and Margaret is nice and ages it up nicely.

Mae Cordelia - I have Mae as a first name on my list paired with Helena. Cordelia is also a beautiful choice!

Grace Theodora - My second favourite. It's just perfect!

Emily Jude - Though I do prefer Jude on a boy, Emily Jude somehow works! I like it.

Piper Juliet - Gorgeous combination. I've had it on my list before.. love it!


Grace Theodora and Piper Juliet are my favourites.

Somehow, I feel that Isla Temperance and Grace Theodora are very you.


Boys:

Roman Francis Abel - I loved Roman Abel from your old list, this works great also.

Henry Maxwell - Love both names seperately and together they make the perfect combination.

Griffin Nathaniel - I have Noah Griffin on my list. Though I like it, the names blend a little because Griffin ends in 'n' and Nathaniel begins with it.. maybe it's me being a little picky though.

Brady Patrick - Love Patrick, Brady isn't my style. I do prefer Brody.

Wyatt Ephraim - LOVE this. It's just gorgeous. Ephraim is wonderful and I never would have thought of pairing it with Wyatt. Wonderful! I think Ephraim works well with the rest of your combos actually. Certainly good enough to use!

Cohen Rhys - Cohen is my last name, so I can't ever really picture it as a first name, but this combo is great.

Noah Brennan - &#8203;Love both names! I have them on my list, but separately ofc. Loving the Bones references!


From your singles, my favourites are as follows:

Sofia

Violet

Hazel

Eloise

Madeline

Scarlett

Eleanor

Quinn


Lucas

Emmett

Riley

Holden

Greyson

Bennett

Oliver

Samson

William


Do you want some combinations with the single names on your list? ^_^



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

Thanks, Alyssa! It's nice to see you back around here ^_^ Of your suggestions, I really like:

Sofia Hazel
Sofia Quinn
Stella Violet
Violet Sofia
Madeline Sofia
Lillian Sophia
Eleanor Violet
Eleanor Sofia

(I had this on my list for a while actually, I can't remember why I took it off :wub: )
Eliza Madeline
Eliza Lillian
Madeline Eloise
Kaia Madeline
Zoe Eleanor
Sadie Violet


Lucas Riley
Lucas William
Emmett Riley
Riley Holden
Riley Tucker
Holden Riley
Holden Oliver
Tucker William
Greyson Lucas
Greyson Oliver
Greyson Riley
Bennett Oliver
Oliver Lucas
Samson Oliver


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:39 PM

Meghan- I really like a lot of your suggestions. I'll go through them more later, but I'm really liking the sound of Tucker Samson :wub:


Sierra- Thanks for the reply. Amelia Carolyn Jane and Roman Francis Abel are important to me because they're family names. Carolyn is my grandmother who has cancer but if I just go with Amelia Carolyn, my other grandma feels left out. So Jane is the letters of Jean (her middle name, as well as my mom's) mixed up because I like Jane more than Jean. And Roman is the letters of Norma (deceased great grandma) scrabbled, Francis is after my favorite uncle who passed when I was seven and Abel is my deceased great grandpa. Those are the only double middle names I would even use (and maybe not even then, but I'd have to have twin girls to split up Amelia Carolyn Jane...oh, jealous grandmothers ;) )


Hannah- Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll go through them when I have more time later, but a lot of them are really cute!


Cassie- I love Lucas and Hazel together! I just could never find middles for them that I really like and that stuck for more than a few days. Thanks for the reply!


Yassy-Dassy-Do- Can we please laugh at the fact that I totally never made the Brennan/Bones connection until right now? Haha, Brennan is my aunt's surname and I just love the sound of it with Noah and the idea of honoring her. I always want your name suggestions! Feel free to throw in some other names that sound good. I really have no idea of where to go from here.


I think I can safely say I'm adding Eleanor Sofia back to my list!



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 03:56 PM

Here's a bunch of random suggestions. :blush:


Using only names from your list:

Hazel Sofia

Stella Josephine

Kaia Lillian

Zoe Eleanor

Sadie Josephine

Eleanor Quinn

Violet Madeline

Scarlett Eloise


Adding a bunch of names you might (hopefully!) like:

Hazel Caterina

Sofia Audrey

Sadie Caroline

Matilda Quinn

Stella Florence

Eleanor Mabel

Kaia Annabelle

Juliet Hazel

Ivy Eloise

Charlotte Sadie

Scarlett Beatrice

Emme Violet

Adele Josephine

Elisabeth Quinn


PS. I have Sofia Eleanor on my list. I have a lot of the same names on there.. :wub:


And on to the boys!


Lucas Bennett

Oliver Holden

Samson Riley

Oliver Greyson

Tucker William

Emmett Russell


Oscar Bennett

Lucas Gabriel

Archer Samson

Caleb Holden

Russell Asa

Dawson Tucker

Greyson Charles

Harvey Emmett

Theodore Lucas

August William

Bennett Oliver


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:01 PM

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION!? Weirdo :wub:

I personally think it would be adorable to have Isla Temperance and Noah Brennan... and a little Lucas Jack, Oliver Seeley and Hazel Camille... even a Violet Angela perhaps? ;)


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 08:44 PM

It has been a while since you've posted!!

Amelia Carolyn Jane - such a beautiful name!! <3 So classic, all three names have been on / off my list periodically <3
Isla Temperance - Temperance isn't my style, but the combo does flow and sound lovely!
Lucy Margaret - classic and beautiful!
Mae Cordelia - beautiful
Grace Theodora - ahh so beautiful!! Grace is so nice as a first name, and I am in love Theodora! <3 Unfortunately my other half doesn't like it lol
Emily Jude - Emily's real pretty, and Jude isn't my style but it works nicely as a middle name
Piper Juliet - beautiful!!

Roman Francis Abel - Roman is in my top 2 boys names I'm considering, and has been for a while. LOVE! And Abel is sooo handsome! Francis isn't my style but goes nicely.
Henry Maxwell - ahhhhhh love it!
Griffin Nathaniel - I've been growing fond of Griffin.. its really handsome. And Nathaniels very nice.
Brady Patrick - not my style but nice
Wyatt Ephriam - not my style either, but still nice
Cohen Rhys - I adore it!!! Cohen is so handsome, and Rhys is real nice <333
Noah Brennan - love it <3

I love just about all your single names, with Violet, Hazel, Eloise, Madeline, Scarlett, Zoe, Lillian, Riley, Greyson, Bennett, and William are all on my list! Love them <3 <3

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:55 AM

EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DIDN'T MAKE THE CONNECTION!? Weirdo :wub:

I personally think it would be adorable to have Isla Temperance and Noah Brennan... and a little Lucas Jack, Oliver Seeley and Hazel Camille... even a Violet Angela perhaps? ;)



I think we can both agree that I am totally a weirdo! On a completely seperate note, Hazel Camille is actually really cute, haha. I've never been a fan of Camille, but I may have to add that to my little band of Bones babies :D



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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:26 AM

Dancing phalanges for your little Bones babies too? Pretty please?!

:wub:


I like Camille, though I'd probably use Millie or Mia as a nickname rather than Cam... at least while the baby is little. I think it's adorable!






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